The former president and once-again-future president, who are historically something less than besties, chatted it up before the service began. (Michelle Obama was not in attendance.)

The two men were seated next to each other at the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C., talking before Carter’s funeral officially started. Trump leaned in to say something to Obama, who listened before laughing and smiling as Trump continued to speak into Obama’s ear.

Trump is obviously no fan of Biden, but Obama and his veep also have a famously complex relationship, only made more so after Obama helped nudge Biden to quit the presidential race last summer. Surely Obama feels some frustration that Biden fumbled a possibly winnable race; maybe he couldn’t help spill to his sworn enemy?